The Cathy Heller Podcast with Cathy Heller
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"I want you to notice how you advocate for other things, and then how you step all the way in to describing how exciting it is that you invented this thing, this world, this value. You have to get that you want people to ultimately come away with this yummy, juicy, fun, empathetic, awesome experience called this thing that you made. And so we have to just decide that that's what we are going to be doing, and not apologize."
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